Nor Cal Fish Report
Eagle Lake Fish Report for 10-25-2007
Eagle Lake Fish Report for 10-25-2007
Eagle Lake Fish Report 10-25-07
Eagle Lake - Susanville, CA (Lassen County)
by Val and Randy Aubrey
10-25-2007
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We had a few high clouds passing through last night that kept our low temp around 28 degrees. Our high temperature yesterday was around 70 before the winds came up in the early afternoon. We expect to see a few high clouds for the rest of the week.
Winds today are predicted to be from the north at around 5 mph. Friday winds are expected to be from the east to 15 mph. High temperatures in the mid to high 50's through Sunday. Lows in the high 20's. At this time, east winds are expected to be mild at 5 mph for the upcoming weekend.
Water Temperature
DFG will not have water tests through December this year so the pH is the last reading is from September
As of 10-24-07
South basin: Currently 50 to 52 from 52 to 54 pH 9.39
North basin: 44 to 46 from 49 to 50 pH 9.55;
Middle basin: 45 to 48 from 49 to 50 pH of 9.44.
Lake Conditions
Buoys have been removed for the season. Please be careful out there.
Water temperatures have been holding pretty steady for the last couple of days but the shallower the water, the colder the temperatures. Fish will soon (if some have not already) start moving back to water a few degrees warmer. We are expecting some warmer overnight temperatures (still in the 20's) but that will still help drop the lake temperature until late in the afternoon when we can see a degree or two rise (depending on the area).
The lake has a lot of color to it still in the middle and south basin, the north basin is somewhat clearer as it settles out quickly because of the firm sandy bottom. But, there are quite a few areas of weeds in the north basin even though some nice clear channels exists. Fish are being caught in the north basin but if water temperatures cool down we might start seeing a movement back to warmer waters of the middle basin, then the fish generally congregate at the Youth Camp area once water temperatures in the shallows drop into the low 40's. They will stay there most of the rest of the season.
We did get into some areas that were weedy on the north side of Pelican Point yesterday and if winds tomorrow are from the east it could get more weedy for the weekend. Check your lines often. The south side of Pelican Point was holding more fish the last couple of days than it has in a couple of weeks but the rock piles don't have any buoy's on them and this becomes a very dangerous area to fish if you don't have a GPS and have marked the buoys before now. Remember that Pelican Point extends several hundred yards out into the lake, best to stay closer to the Youth Camp side of the channel.
A few tips for those fishing out of Spalding: Rock piles north of Pelican Point and off the airstrip in Spalding are very close to the surface. The point along the airstrip in Spalding is very shallow, don't attempt to go between the tules this fall, swing the point wide before cutting back towards the tules. There are also two rock piles about 200 yards north of the Broccoli Tree (North side Pelican Point) that is unmarked and will be a very nasty surprise when a lower unit hits it.
Fishing Locations and Depths
Fishing was pretty tough yesterday for the average fisherman. The early risers did better than those waiting for daylight. We have had some pretty bright nights from the nearly full moon.
In general, we have been catching fish from 5 to 12 feet deep in water 5 to 15 feet deep but we are finding a few more in deeper water but at the same depths.
South basin: Expect to start finding fish at 5 to 12 feet deep off the ledges as well as 21 to 24 feet deep in water 30 plus feet deep.
The tules off the airstrip in Spalding has had its good and bad days. Expect the colder water temperatures to move those trout out into 10 to 15 feet of water. It is very shallow in there this year and the moss beds can hang up your bait if you are too deep. 24 to 30 inches deep is the ticket. But colder water temperatures might move those fish back out in the bay.
DFG planted our fall allotment the last couple of days with a nearly 100 percent success rate. Water temperatures were perfect and no shock was noted. So there will be a ton of small trout (small because the spawn in 2006 was late so they haven't had as long of a time in the hatchery as normal, so don't be alarmed).
We have been trolling the north side of Pelican Point in 6 to 11 feet of water. The fish were still hanging on the north side of the tip of the point but they were hard to catch yesterday. The south side of Pelican Point is starting to hold more fish than it has in the last couple of weeks but they haven't been real aggressive the last couple of days. All the buoys have been removed so be careful.
Expect to see more fish coming back to the Youth Camp soon.
Some fish are still being caught from the Springs to Miners Point on the east side of the south basin but they are very scattered right now. Some people are in the right place at the right time....and that can be just about anywhere and anytime. My best advise is to fish the shallow ledges and drop offs if you are limited to fishing the south basin. We found quite a few respectable trout on Miner's Point ledge last week but we had to deal with several bands of algae mixed in the foam that was created by high winds. Usually fishing the foam can be very successful but normally it is just foam this time of year. The algae has gotten worse over the last couple years and has been common in several areas all the way through December.
Between Wildcat Point and Shrimp Island (Lake of the Woods): the rocky ledges on the west side has picked up nicely. Several reports of fish to 4 pounds have been reported. The deeper water still has fish but they are in small pods and scattered. I always suggest having a float tube on hand for the days when the fish just don't come up on the shallow ledges and congregate in deeper water that is not accessible by casting even if you are waste deep in your waders. Once the north and middle basins water temperatures drop into the high 30's to low 40's, many trout and a lot of minnows move back down towards the Youth Camp (where they typically remain until it ices over or the season ends) but larger numbers head back to depths of 45 to 65 feet and deeper. Generally our toplines at 5 to 10 feet deep as well as our leadcores set much deeper at 21 to 24 feet deep catch the same amount of fish.
Trolling
NOTE TO TROLLERS: SOME COMPLAINTS FROM SHORE FISHERMEN AND ANCHORED BAIT FISHERMEN REGARDING TROLLING OVER THEIR LINES. PLEASE BE CONSIDERATE.
Some trollers are doing better than others but limits are still being caught. We still have quite a bit of color in the water but it has gotten a little better in some locations. Generally, chartreuse (all or part of) starts working when the water is in this condition so don't be afraid to tie one on. Fish are spooky in the shallows and on the shallow rock ledges. Let out at least 100 to 125 feet of line out behind the boat.
Orange and dark brown leech pattern trolling flies have been the best for us north of Pelican Point this week and continues to out fish the nightcrawler for us (however we are still catching fish on nightcrawlers).
Note: the minnows that were along the docks in Spalding have moved out to deeper water. If water temperatures continue to drop (hopefully they will stabilize a little this week) expect the minnows to head south. The fish we have been catching have been feeding on a fresh hatch of shrimp (it looks like applesauce with a little pepper sprinkled in it. I call it applesauce with eyeballs) with various sized brown leeches for an appetizer.
Hot Lures, Flies and Grubs
Lures: Large "Red Dog" Double Jointed Sure Catch lure is doing okay, and medium "Goldie locks" (florescent orange and brass) has been working well too. But the best Sure Catch has been a new pattern called "Zebra". I also like the German Brown Medium Sure Catch this time of year. Needlefish and Rainbow Runners have also been known to work well up here. Often, what is hot in one area is not in another. The red dot frog and crocodile patterns in size 2 and 3 have also been productive lures. It is near the time when minnow imitations from rapala's to rubber wigglers will be real effective (time to try ???em now as fish start moving back to the Youth Camp) However, they work best where the minnows are the food of choice. Note: Many of the minnows that had been seen along the docks in Spalding have moved out into deeper water and will start stock piling at the Youth Camp before long.
Trolling plain nightcrawlers is also a favorite and was indeed a very affective method for many anglers. But, if I am only catching trout on small brown flies I would suggest worm trollers use mini crawlers (on smaller #8 or #10 straight eye bait hooks) over large ones and don't leave a long tail. Use of flashers can be more productive in late summer and fall. The clarity of the lake decreases as the water temperatures drop in fall. Flashers really help during that time and best where schools of tui chub minnows are the food of choice. (Flasher tip for Eagle Lake: shorten leaders up to 14 to 15 inches from the flashers. These fish often come from behind so quickly that they can miss your bait and hit your flashers. If you are getting lots of strikes without hooking up, your leader is too long.) There are some nice ultra light flashers available, silver being the most effective.
Grubs: Brown, Black, orange, amber watermelon, white and root-beer have been catching a few fish this week. Some folks prefer to run wiggle or action discs ahead of the grub. Many different colors of grubs and flies have been working but in many different locations.
Trolling Flies: The plain Jane brown is catching all our fish. The brown leech (a very passive rather than aggressive fly) has gotten more attention that anything else we have been dragging and is definitely the best on flat water. The tui-chub pattern works better in some areas (this time of year) than in others but it is starting to get attention. I prefer a smaller hook than what is commercially available this time of year...later in September and October size doesn't matter. The ones I tie have more white than olive on them. Olive leeches are starting to pick up a few fish here and there but in general olive works better down by Pikes Point and the jetty...brown has been the most affective for us at every location. Orange has been working one day and not the next but has been more effective in the north basin than in the middle and south basin yet. The north basin has also been a degree or two cooler than the middle or south basin.
My best advise for trolling flies is to keep your rod in your hand and set the hook at the slightest difference in your line. If you miss the fish, slap the slack back into the water, if the fish didn't quite feel the hook it will still be following the fly and it will take it again when it stops dead in the water. Dangle it in front of the fish as if you were playing with a cat and a piece of yarn, if the fish wasn't right there once your line straightened out, give it a few seconds longer. Yeah, that's a real tease, but is also very affective. The fish take flies differently than they hit lures. They basically "hold" it in their mouth rather than attack it like a lure (especially the passive flies in brown or olive). Quite often they just tap very lightly and you have to tease them into the strike...then you have to sink the barb of the hook in order to land the fish. And, I mean you have to set it hard, and hold your line so the drag doesn't defeat the purpose. Quite often I use the motor to assist keeping pressure on the fish if I run out of hook setting room (rod over 90 degrees), but, don't keep your boat in gear after the hook set. You will lose them every time. Some fish hit harder on the more aggressive flies (orange, gold & etc.) but you still have to set the hook. You can run discs a few inches above the fly but it's not a replacement for holding your rod. Every fish hits a little different...some hammer you, others tease you, some just slap you around others slurp and spit. Knowing when to set the hook has a lot to do with "sticking" the fish.
Bait Fishing
Fish have been sluggish in the shallows but it has been a tougher bite for the last couple of days too. Fish are moving in and out of the tules but their timing is now much different than the last couple of weeks. Depending on location fish 2 to 3 feet deep in 4 to 5 feet of water, 8 to 11 feet deep in 10 to 12 feet of water and 12 feet deep in 20 to 28 feet of water has been our depths and have been successful, however, on a day by day basis. Most fish are being caught in 9 to 15 feet of water. With the brightness of the moon this week plan on catching the early bite.
The tui chub have had a good spawn this year and the minnows are prevalent in all the basins. But, the minnows will start moving out of the shallow tules and into deeper water.
The use of commercial attractants has been working well the last few years. Krill and Garlic Trout Gravy are the most effective. Don't under-estimate the garlic gravy, it works.
It is illegal to use minnows as bait on this lake, however many different imitations start working now. Nightcrawlers are the most effective bait used but some folks use insects too.
NOTE: It is also illegal to keep live trout in a "live well" for any purpose including resuscitation.
Shore Fishing
The biology station and the Youth Camp have been fishing fair but is starting to pick up a little... but on stormy windy days the waves break right in on the rocks. Winds for the weekend look mild for fishing from that location but even though there are more fish being caught there the numbers have not been hot yet (But that can change overnight). The jetty and the Circus Grounds will be picking up before too long too but fishing has only been fair from shore. Generally the first hour is the best, but some days the trout wait until the breeze comes up before they move in. There is a lot of color in the water right now so if your plain worm doesn't cut the mustard, don't be afraid to add some powerbait or garlic gravy to it.
Fly Fishing
Osprey Management Area is open for foot traffic only or boating in. Boaters be careful there are some quick depth changes getting your boat into shore in this area.
No motorized vehicles are allowed below the road. Watch out for mountain lions in this area.
It has been fair for the fly fisherman in general, however, timing is everything. The early morning bite has been short and sweet but it has shut down quickly. Some days have been un-fishable due to high winds but the winds are expected to be mild and from the east for the weekend. If the water is flat make sure you have some indicators on hand. Brown was the color they wanted today and is the best color to start with on this lake. Water temperatures should remain fairly stable now. It is advisable to have a float tube or boat so you can reach those trout when they move out. Have a sink tip available.
My favorite flies are basic. #10 and #12 wooly buggers. I prefer brown along Pelican Point and the west side of the south basin. (I have found that the darker the brown, the better it works)
I like olive, gold, orange or black in the tules depending on the time of year. However, the orange is extremely effective when the water temperature drops below 48 degrees F. The shrimp turn orange when the water temperature drops below that temperature and it has now started in the shallows around the lake shore.
Winds today are predicted to be from the north at around 5 mph. Friday winds are expected to be from the east to 15 mph. High temperatures in the mid to high 50's through Sunday. Lows in the high 20's. At this time, east winds are expected to be mild at 5 mph for the upcoming weekend.
Water Temperature
DFG will not have water tests through December this year so the pH is the last reading is from September
As of 10-24-07
South basin: Currently 50 to 52 from 52 to 54 pH 9.39
North basin: 44 to 46 from 49 to 50 pH 9.55;
Middle basin: 45 to 48 from 49 to 50 pH of 9.44.
Lake Conditions
Buoys have been removed for the season. Please be careful out there.
Water temperatures have been holding pretty steady for the last couple of days but the shallower the water, the colder the temperatures. Fish will soon (if some have not already) start moving back to water a few degrees warmer. We are expecting some warmer overnight temperatures (still in the 20's) but that will still help drop the lake temperature until late in the afternoon when we can see a degree or two rise (depending on the area).
The lake has a lot of color to it still in the middle and south basin, the north basin is somewhat clearer as it settles out quickly because of the firm sandy bottom. But, there are quite a few areas of weeds in the north basin even though some nice clear channels exists. Fish are being caught in the north basin but if water temperatures cool down we might start seeing a movement back to warmer waters of the middle basin, then the fish generally congregate at the Youth Camp area once water temperatures in the shallows drop into the low 40's. They will stay there most of the rest of the season.
We did get into some areas that were weedy on the north side of Pelican Point yesterday and if winds tomorrow are from the east it could get more weedy for the weekend. Check your lines often. The south side of Pelican Point was holding more fish the last couple of days than it has in a couple of weeks but the rock piles don't have any buoy's on them and this becomes a very dangerous area to fish if you don't have a GPS and have marked the buoys before now. Remember that Pelican Point extends several hundred yards out into the lake, best to stay closer to the Youth Camp side of the channel.
A few tips for those fishing out of Spalding: Rock piles north of Pelican Point and off the airstrip in Spalding are very close to the surface. The point along the airstrip in Spalding is very shallow, don't attempt to go between the tules this fall, swing the point wide before cutting back towards the tules. There are also two rock piles about 200 yards north of the Broccoli Tree (North side Pelican Point) that is unmarked and will be a very nasty surprise when a lower unit hits it.
Fishing Locations and Depths
Fishing was pretty tough yesterday for the average fisherman. The early risers did better than those waiting for daylight. We have had some pretty bright nights from the nearly full moon.
In general, we have been catching fish from 5 to 12 feet deep in water 5 to 15 feet deep but we are finding a few more in deeper water but at the same depths.
South basin: Expect to start finding fish at 5 to 12 feet deep off the ledges as well as 21 to 24 feet deep in water 30 plus feet deep.
The tules off the airstrip in Spalding has had its good and bad days. Expect the colder water temperatures to move those trout out into 10 to 15 feet of water. It is very shallow in there this year and the moss beds can hang up your bait if you are too deep. 24 to 30 inches deep is the ticket. But colder water temperatures might move those fish back out in the bay.
DFG planted our fall allotment the last couple of days with a nearly 100 percent success rate. Water temperatures were perfect and no shock was noted. So there will be a ton of small trout (small because the spawn in 2006 was late so they haven't had as long of a time in the hatchery as normal, so don't be alarmed).
We have been trolling the north side of Pelican Point in 6 to 11 feet of water. The fish were still hanging on the north side of the tip of the point but they were hard to catch yesterday. The south side of Pelican Point is starting to hold more fish than it has in the last couple of weeks but they haven't been real aggressive the last couple of days. All the buoys have been removed so be careful.
Expect to see more fish coming back to the Youth Camp soon.
Some fish are still being caught from the Springs to Miners Point on the east side of the south basin but they are very scattered right now. Some people are in the right place at the right time....and that can be just about anywhere and anytime. My best advise is to fish the shallow ledges and drop offs if you are limited to fishing the south basin. We found quite a few respectable trout on Miner's Point ledge last week but we had to deal with several bands of algae mixed in the foam that was created by high winds. Usually fishing the foam can be very successful but normally it is just foam this time of year. The algae has gotten worse over the last couple years and has been common in several areas all the way through December.
Between Wildcat Point and Shrimp Island (Lake of the Woods): the rocky ledges on the west side has picked up nicely. Several reports of fish to 4 pounds have been reported. The deeper water still has fish but they are in small pods and scattered. I always suggest having a float tube on hand for the days when the fish just don't come up on the shallow ledges and congregate in deeper water that is not accessible by casting even if you are waste deep in your waders. Once the north and middle basins water temperatures drop into the high 30's to low 40's, many trout and a lot of minnows move back down towards the Youth Camp (where they typically remain until it ices over or the season ends) but larger numbers head back to depths of 45 to 65 feet and deeper. Generally our toplines at 5 to 10 feet deep as well as our leadcores set much deeper at 21 to 24 feet deep catch the same amount of fish.
Trolling
NOTE TO TROLLERS: SOME COMPLAINTS FROM SHORE FISHERMEN AND ANCHORED BAIT FISHERMEN REGARDING TROLLING OVER THEIR LINES. PLEASE BE CONSIDERATE.
Some trollers are doing better than others but limits are still being caught. We still have quite a bit of color in the water but it has gotten a little better in some locations. Generally, chartreuse (all or part of) starts working when the water is in this condition so don't be afraid to tie one on. Fish are spooky in the shallows and on the shallow rock ledges. Let out at least 100 to 125 feet of line out behind the boat.
Orange and dark brown leech pattern trolling flies have been the best for us north of Pelican Point this week and continues to out fish the nightcrawler for us (however we are still catching fish on nightcrawlers).
Note: the minnows that were along the docks in Spalding have moved out to deeper water. If water temperatures continue to drop (hopefully they will stabilize a little this week) expect the minnows to head south. The fish we have been catching have been feeding on a fresh hatch of shrimp (it looks like applesauce with a little pepper sprinkled in it. I call it applesauce with eyeballs) with various sized brown leeches for an appetizer.
Hot Lures, Flies and Grubs
Lures: Large "Red Dog" Double Jointed Sure Catch lure is doing okay, and medium "Goldie locks" (florescent orange and brass) has been working well too. But the best Sure Catch has been a new pattern called "Zebra". I also like the German Brown Medium Sure Catch this time of year. Needlefish and Rainbow Runners have also been known to work well up here. Often, what is hot in one area is not in another. The red dot frog and crocodile patterns in size 2 and 3 have also been productive lures. It is near the time when minnow imitations from rapala's to rubber wigglers will be real effective (time to try ???em now as fish start moving back to the Youth Camp) However, they work best where the minnows are the food of choice. Note: Many of the minnows that had been seen along the docks in Spalding have moved out into deeper water and will start stock piling at the Youth Camp before long.
Trolling plain nightcrawlers is also a favorite and was indeed a very affective method for many anglers. But, if I am only catching trout on small brown flies I would suggest worm trollers use mini crawlers (on smaller #8 or #10 straight eye bait hooks) over large ones and don't leave a long tail. Use of flashers can be more productive in late summer and fall. The clarity of the lake decreases as the water temperatures drop in fall. Flashers really help during that time and best where schools of tui chub minnows are the food of choice. (Flasher tip for Eagle Lake: shorten leaders up to 14 to 15 inches from the flashers. These fish often come from behind so quickly that they can miss your bait and hit your flashers. If you are getting lots of strikes without hooking up, your leader is too long.) There are some nice ultra light flashers available, silver being the most effective.
Grubs: Brown, Black, orange, amber watermelon, white and root-beer have been catching a few fish this week. Some folks prefer to run wiggle or action discs ahead of the grub. Many different colors of grubs and flies have been working but in many different locations.
Trolling Flies: The plain Jane brown is catching all our fish. The brown leech (a very passive rather than aggressive fly) has gotten more attention that anything else we have been dragging and is definitely the best on flat water. The tui-chub pattern works better in some areas (this time of year) than in others but it is starting to get attention. I prefer a smaller hook than what is commercially available this time of year...later in September and October size doesn't matter. The ones I tie have more white than olive on them. Olive leeches are starting to pick up a few fish here and there but in general olive works better down by Pikes Point and the jetty...brown has been the most affective for us at every location. Orange has been working one day and not the next but has been more effective in the north basin than in the middle and south basin yet. The north basin has also been a degree or two cooler than the middle or south basin.
My best advise for trolling flies is to keep your rod in your hand and set the hook at the slightest difference in your line. If you miss the fish, slap the slack back into the water, if the fish didn't quite feel the hook it will still be following the fly and it will take it again when it stops dead in the water. Dangle it in front of the fish as if you were playing with a cat and a piece of yarn, if the fish wasn't right there once your line straightened out, give it a few seconds longer. Yeah, that's a real tease, but is also very affective. The fish take flies differently than they hit lures. They basically "hold" it in their mouth rather than attack it like a lure (especially the passive flies in brown or olive). Quite often they just tap very lightly and you have to tease them into the strike...then you have to sink the barb of the hook in order to land the fish. And, I mean you have to set it hard, and hold your line so the drag doesn't defeat the purpose. Quite often I use the motor to assist keeping pressure on the fish if I run out of hook setting room (rod over 90 degrees), but, don't keep your boat in gear after the hook set. You will lose them every time. Some fish hit harder on the more aggressive flies (orange, gold & etc.) but you still have to set the hook. You can run discs a few inches above the fly but it's not a replacement for holding your rod. Every fish hits a little different...some hammer you, others tease you, some just slap you around others slurp and spit. Knowing when to set the hook has a lot to do with "sticking" the fish.
Bait Fishing
Fish have been sluggish in the shallows but it has been a tougher bite for the last couple of days too. Fish are moving in and out of the tules but their timing is now much different than the last couple of weeks. Depending on location fish 2 to 3 feet deep in 4 to 5 feet of water, 8 to 11 feet deep in 10 to 12 feet of water and 12 feet deep in 20 to 28 feet of water has been our depths and have been successful, however, on a day by day basis. Most fish are being caught in 9 to 15 feet of water. With the brightness of the moon this week plan on catching the early bite.
The tui chub have had a good spawn this year and the minnows are prevalent in all the basins. But, the minnows will start moving out of the shallow tules and into deeper water.
The use of commercial attractants has been working well the last few years. Krill and Garlic Trout Gravy are the most effective. Don't under-estimate the garlic gravy, it works.
It is illegal to use minnows as bait on this lake, however many different imitations start working now. Nightcrawlers are the most effective bait used but some folks use insects too.
NOTE: It is also illegal to keep live trout in a "live well" for any purpose including resuscitation.
Shore Fishing
The biology station and the Youth Camp have been fishing fair but is starting to pick up a little... but on stormy windy days the waves break right in on the rocks. Winds for the weekend look mild for fishing from that location but even though there are more fish being caught there the numbers have not been hot yet (But that can change overnight). The jetty and the Circus Grounds will be picking up before too long too but fishing has only been fair from shore. Generally the first hour is the best, but some days the trout wait until the breeze comes up before they move in. There is a lot of color in the water right now so if your plain worm doesn't cut the mustard, don't be afraid to add some powerbait or garlic gravy to it.
Fly Fishing
Osprey Management Area is open for foot traffic only or boating in. Boaters be careful there are some quick depth changes getting your boat into shore in this area.
No motorized vehicles are allowed below the road. Watch out for mountain lions in this area.
It has been fair for the fly fisherman in general, however, timing is everything. The early morning bite has been short and sweet but it has shut down quickly. Some days have been un-fishable due to high winds but the winds are expected to be mild and from the east for the weekend. If the water is flat make sure you have some indicators on hand. Brown was the color they wanted today and is the best color to start with on this lake. Water temperatures should remain fairly stable now. It is advisable to have a float tube or boat so you can reach those trout when they move out. Have a sink tip available.
My favorite flies are basic. #10 and #12 wooly buggers. I prefer brown along Pelican Point and the west side of the south basin. (I have found that the darker the brown, the better it works)
I like olive, gold, orange or black in the tules depending on the time of year. However, the orange is extremely effective when the water temperature drops below 48 degrees F. The shrimp turn orange when the water temperature drops below that temperature and it has now started in the shallows around the lake shore.
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