Nor Cal Fish Report
Eagle Lake Fish Report for 9-17-2007
Eagle Lake Fish Report for 9-17-2007
Eagle Lake Fish Report 09-17-07
Eagle Lake - Susanville, CA (Lassen County)
by Val and Randy Aubrey
9-17-2007
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Mostly cloudy skies this morning....and we did see about 10 drops of rain yesterday afternoon. We had several mornings this week that dipped into the low 30's. The cloud cover this morning kept it a balmy 50 degrees. Winds from the north are predominately from the east but are expected to be primarily from the west for the next couple of days. Yeah, that's a little confusing. Basically, let's just say we have unsettled weather coming in this week!
We are expecting more clouds and a 50% chance of some precipitation on Wednesday with a slight chance of showers through Friday. Low temperatures are predicted to be in the high 30's but clouds overnight typically keep things a little warmer.....but clear skies will drop the AM temps. High temp of 56 is predicted for Wednesday.
Water Temperature
South basin: 63 to 66 degrees F, pH 9.39 North basin: 62 to 64 pH 9.55; Middle basin: 62 to 64 pH of 9.44. The Department of Fish and Game is recommending to all anglers that they practice "catch & keep" until further notice. Lake Conditions
There was quite a bit of foam on the south basin the last couple of days. Some having a lot of algae in it. We are starting to see more weeds on the surface but the shifting winds keep pushing them into different areas. The north side of Pelican Point is fairly weedy on the surface in many areas but there has been some clear channels.
One thing that we have now is that we are seeing a lot more color in the water from the microscopic algae's dying off from cooling water temperatures.
Buoys are on the lake. But, this being a natural lake not all the hazards are marked. Lassen County Sheriff Department will probably start removing buoys soon. It's a good idea to GPS the rock piles. I'm working on a few way points to post so folks can plug in the coordinates for caution
Rock piles north of Pelican Point and off the airstrip in Spalding are very close to the surface. The point along the airstrip in Spalding is very shallow, don't attempt to go between the tules this fall, swing the point wide before cutting back towards the tules. There are two rock piles about 200 yards northeast of the Broccoli Tree (North side Pelican Point) that is unmarked and will be a very nasty surprise when a lower unit hits it.
Fishing Locations and Depths
The fishing has been tough for the average angler but some folks are coming in with a few limits here and there. If you are fishing the deeper south basin cover the water column from 10 to 30 feet deep. Or, move into shallower water of 10 to 25 feet deep and fish 10 to 12 feet deep. Sometimes the fish lay on the bottom in 18 to 24...if you see them there....get the lines down to them.
The deep water of the south basin isn't holding large numbers of trout right now but a few have been caught there this week. But, when these fish decide to start moving around, that's just what they do. The best fishing has still been very early in the morning and has been fairly steady until about 8 to 8:30 AM.
Some trout are starting to move over and north of the Miners Point ledges and towards the Biology Station and the south side of Pelican Point.
We are also seeing increase numbers of trout on the north side of Pelican Point but their location changes daily. But they are there and hard to catch. One day I find them near the buoys at the tip of P Point and the next day they can be out in the middle of Delta Bay. It's just a catch 22 right now for the average angler.
The water is shallow this year at an average of 5 to 7 feet deep (5 to 6 at the edge of the tules off the airstrip) and the moss beds are only a couple feet from the surface in some areas, so trolling this area will be tough. It has been pretty weedy north of P. Point. Expect the cooler temperatures next couple weeks to help move more fish into some locations but the majority will not commit to the shallows until the water temp drops a few more degrees and stays there. Those fish have been moving around quit a bit. I can find them ?? to 1 mile from where I left ???em the day before.
Some fish are still being caught from the Springs to Miners Point on the east side of the south basin but they are very scattered right now. But, it's been tough for everyone in just about every location. Some people are in the right place at the right time....and that can be just about anywhere and anytime. The beginning of the fall transition.
Between Wildcat Point and Shrimp Island (Lake of the Woods): the rocky ledges on the west side has slowed down a bit for a lot of folks, but I have seen fish in shallower water along the west side. I didn't see the number of fish in the deeper water this week, however I have seen a few small "pods" here and there.
I have not had to fish any farther south than the south side of Pelican Point for the last month and have caught quite a few fish too. If you feel like wasting time, I would suggest wasting it in shallower water.
Trolling
NOTE TO TROLLERS: SOME COMPLAINTS FROM SHORE FISHERMEN AND ANCHORED BAIT FISHERMEN REGARDING TROLLING OVER THEIR LINES. PLEASE BE CONSIDERATE.
Some trollers are doing better than others but some limits are still being caught. We are starting to catch fish at many different depths this week. We are still catching a few fish between 25 and 35 feet but we are also starting to get a lot more attention above that level. We are working shallower water now that water temperatures have cooled down. Fish are spooky in the shallows and on the shallow rock ledges. Let out at least 100 to 125 feet of line out behind the boat.
Orange and brown leech pattern trolling flies have been the best for us but the tui chub fly is starting to get more attention north of Pelican Point.
The trout we have been catching are feeding on leeches and shrimp which are typical for that area, minnows are still in deeper water but I have seen many schools around the Youth Camp and Bio. Station. Oh, we have plenty of minnows in the north and middle basins but the trout haven't quite committed to the warmer temperatures yet. But, they know by the angle of the sun that the time is near.
How trollers can avoid catching tui chub: Most trollers don't usually catch chubs because the chubs generally don't "chase" fast moving objects, however if you are trolling too slow you can catch the heck out of them. The key is to bump up your trolling speed by 50 to 75 RPM's and avoid catching them. That's all it takes and stay in the zone of the trout. The more chubs your are catching the less time you are fishing for trout. Please release these special fish safely, they are of great importance to the ecology of the lake. Tui chubs also show up as a massive school of fish stacked up on your depth finder. If you observe the adult chub when they come into the north and middle basins to spawn, you will see that the entire school moves in unison (note the minnows at the docks). Seldom do they separate. Trout show up as more singles farther apart.
Hot Lures, Flies and Grubs
Lures: Large "Red Dog" Double Jointed Sure Catch lure is doing well and medium "Goldie locks" (florescent orange and brass) has been working well too. I also like the German Brown Medium Sure Catch this time of year. But good old Needlefish were in the top 3 producers. No doubt that florescent orange is a hot color on this lake and various lures of that color often work. Since using the sure catch lures, I am now partial to using them but Needlefish have also been extremely affective on this lake for decades. Florescent orange with nickel or brass back were productive in size 2. Rainbow Runners have also been known to work well up here. Often, what is hot in one area is not in another. The red dot frog and crocodile patterns in size 2 and 3 have also been productive lures. We have a lot of baby western toads in all the grassy areas of the shoreline right now and don't think the trout have never seen one swimming in the water. It is near the time when minnow imitations from rapala's to rubber wigglers will be real effective (time to try ???em now).
DON'T BE AFRAID TO TIE ON SOMETHING YELLOW OR PEARL DURING THE UPCOMING OVERCAST SKIES THAT ARE PREDICTED. DARK SKIES AND WATER WITH A LOT OF COLOR WILL REQUIRE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ABLE TO BE SEEN BY THE TROUT. AND, LEAVING A SCENT TRAIL WILL ALSO HELP.
Trolling nightcrawlers is also a favorite and was indeed a very affective method for many anglers. But, if I am only catching trout on small brown flies I would suggest worm trollers use mini crawlers (on smaller #8 or #10 straight eye bait hooks) over large ones. Use of flashers can be more productive in late summer and fall. The clarity of the lake decreases as the water temperatures drop in fall. Flashers really help during that time and best where schools of tui chub minnows are the food of choice. (Flasher tip for Eagle Lake: shorten leaders up to 14 to 15 inches from the flashers. These fish often come from behind so quickly that they can miss your bait and hit your flashers. If you are getting lots of strikes without hooking up, your leader is too long.)
Grubs: Brown, orange, amber watermelon, white and root-beer have been catching a few fish this week. Some folks prefer to run wiggle or action discs ahead of the grub.
Trolling Flies: The plain Jane brown and florescent orange are catching fish but the brown leech (a very passive rather than aggressive fly) has gotten more attention on flat water. The tui-chub pattern works better in some areas (this time of year) than in others but it is starting to get attention. I prefer a smaller hook than what is commercially available this time of year...later in September and October size doesn't matter. The ones I tie have more white than olive on them. Olive leeches are starting to pick up a few fish here and there but in general olive works better down by Pikes Point and the jetty...brown has been the most affective for us at every location, however the orange is catching fish for us as long as there is a ripple but once the pond goes flat, the brown has been the best.
The trout have been "short striking" meaning that the hook is not penetrating and many fish are getting off before getting them to the boat. Tear (don't cut) the butts off the flies folks...the fish will have to strike higher on the hook....old fly trolling trick that makes them stick!!! Grub trollers add a stinger in your tails or trim them shorter, nightcrawler trollers use mini crawlers and only leave ?? inch of tail.
My best advise for trolling flies is to keep your rod in your hand and set the hook at the slightest difference in your line. If you miss the fish, slap the slack back into the water, if the fish didn't quite feel the hook it will still be following the fly and it will take it again when it stops dead in the water. Dangle it in front of the fish as if you were playing with a cat and a piece of yarn, if the fish wasn't right there once your line straightened out, give it a few seconds longer. Yeah, that's a real tease, but is also very affective. The fish take flies differently than they hit lures. They basically "hold" it in their mouth rather than attack it like a lure (especially the passive flies in brown or olive). You have to sink the barb of the hook in order to land the fish. And, I mean you have to set it hard, and hold your line so the drag doesn't defeat the purpose. Quite often I use the motor to assist keeping pressure on the fish if I run out of hook setting room (rod over 90 degrees), but, don't keep your boat in gear after the hook set. You will lose them every time. Some fish hit harder on the more aggressive flies (orange, gold & etc.) but you still have to set the hook. You can run discs a few inches above the fly but it's not a replacement for holding your rod. Every fish hits a little different...some hammer you, others tease you, some just slap you around others slurp and spit. Knowing when to set the hook has a lot to do with "sticking" the fish.
Bait Fishing
Nightcrawlers under slip bobbers at 25 to 30 feet deep in 50 to 70 feet of water but bait fisherman are working hard to catch a couple trout. Free lines have been working better than slip bobbers however, every day has been a little different. So it's best to cover the bases and fish the water column from this time forward. Don't stay in one spot if you are not catching fish, move around and fish the column of water from 10 to 30 feet deep. Many fish are simply foraging in shallower water along the shoreline.
The tui chub have had a good spawn this year and the minnows are prevalent in all the basins. If we keep the cold nights and cooler water temperatures, the trout will start heading up towards the middle basin after the minnows and other food sources that have flourished over the short summer. Many will start staging at the Youth Camp and Biology Station where depths reach 30 feet (40 ft north of the Miners Point ledge). The trout usually stay close to deeper water before committing to the shallows but with the lower than average water temperatures we are seeing this year, may give us an early start.
The use of commercial attractants has been working well the last few years. Krill and Garlic Trout Gravy are the most effective. Don't under-estimate the garlic gravy, it works.
It is illegal to use minnows as bait on this lake, however many different imitations start working now. Nightcrawlers are the most effective bait used but some folks use insects too. NOTE: It is also illegal to keep live trout in a "live well" for any purpose including resuscitation.
Shore Fishing
If water temperatures continue to remain in the high 60's early in the morning, expect the shore fishing to start picking up. The shallower water is cooling off quicker overnight than the deep water. We are seeing fish foraging in the shallows and we have started catching them in 7 to 10 feet of water, but their timing has been a little different every day.
The biology station and the Youth Camp will start getting better but it can be touch and go for a few weeks before it really turns on there. The jetty and the Circus Grounds will be picking up before too long too but fishing has been very tough from shore for the last couple weeks. Things will be getting better.
Fly Fishing?ĮOsprey Management Area is open for foot traffic only. No vehicles are allowed below the road. Watch out for mountain lions in this area.
A few trout are rising to the caddis hatch but the hatch has come on later in the morning due in part to cooler temperatures lasting longer. There are a few fish on the shallow ledges but their timing has not been reliable. Having a little ripple in the morning helps. Brown was the color they wanted today and is the best color to start with on this lake. They are not yet reliable from day to day and water temperatures are still warm despite having good O2 levels. But, it won't be too long before early morning fly fishing will be very productive. It is advisable to have a float tube or boat so you can reach those trout when they move out. Have a sink tip available.
My favorite flies are basic. #10 and #12 wooly buggers. I prefer brown along Pelican Point and the west side of the south basin. I like olive, gold, orange or black in the tules depending on the time of year. However, the orange is extremely effective when the water temperature drops below 48 degrees F. The shrimp turn orange when the water temperature drops below that temperature.
We are expecting more clouds and a 50% chance of some precipitation on Wednesday with a slight chance of showers through Friday. Low temperatures are predicted to be in the high 30's but clouds overnight typically keep things a little warmer.....but clear skies will drop the AM temps. High temp of 56 is predicted for Wednesday.
Water Temperature
South basin: 63 to 66 degrees F, pH 9.39 North basin: 62 to 64 pH 9.55; Middle basin: 62 to 64 pH of 9.44. The Department of Fish and Game is recommending to all anglers that they practice "catch & keep" until further notice. Lake Conditions
There was quite a bit of foam on the south basin the last couple of days. Some having a lot of algae in it. We are starting to see more weeds on the surface but the shifting winds keep pushing them into different areas. The north side of Pelican Point is fairly weedy on the surface in many areas but there has been some clear channels.
One thing that we have now is that we are seeing a lot more color in the water from the microscopic algae's dying off from cooling water temperatures.
Buoys are on the lake. But, this being a natural lake not all the hazards are marked. Lassen County Sheriff Department will probably start removing buoys soon. It's a good idea to GPS the rock piles. I'm working on a few way points to post so folks can plug in the coordinates for caution
Rock piles north of Pelican Point and off the airstrip in Spalding are very close to the surface. The point along the airstrip in Spalding is very shallow, don't attempt to go between the tules this fall, swing the point wide before cutting back towards the tules. There are two rock piles about 200 yards northeast of the Broccoli Tree (North side Pelican Point) that is unmarked and will be a very nasty surprise when a lower unit hits it.
Fishing Locations and Depths
The fishing has been tough for the average angler but some folks are coming in with a few limits here and there. If you are fishing the deeper south basin cover the water column from 10 to 30 feet deep. Or, move into shallower water of 10 to 25 feet deep and fish 10 to 12 feet deep. Sometimes the fish lay on the bottom in 18 to 24...if you see them there....get the lines down to them.
The deep water of the south basin isn't holding large numbers of trout right now but a few have been caught there this week. But, when these fish decide to start moving around, that's just what they do. The best fishing has still been very early in the morning and has been fairly steady until about 8 to 8:30 AM.
Some trout are starting to move over and north of the Miners Point ledges and towards the Biology Station and the south side of Pelican Point.
We are also seeing increase numbers of trout on the north side of Pelican Point but their location changes daily. But they are there and hard to catch. One day I find them near the buoys at the tip of P Point and the next day they can be out in the middle of Delta Bay. It's just a catch 22 right now for the average angler.
The water is shallow this year at an average of 5 to 7 feet deep (5 to 6 at the edge of the tules off the airstrip) and the moss beds are only a couple feet from the surface in some areas, so trolling this area will be tough. It has been pretty weedy north of P. Point. Expect the cooler temperatures next couple weeks to help move more fish into some locations but the majority will not commit to the shallows until the water temp drops a few more degrees and stays there. Those fish have been moving around quit a bit. I can find them ?? to 1 mile from where I left ???em the day before.
Some fish are still being caught from the Springs to Miners Point on the east side of the south basin but they are very scattered right now. But, it's been tough for everyone in just about every location. Some people are in the right place at the right time....and that can be just about anywhere and anytime. The beginning of the fall transition.
Between Wildcat Point and Shrimp Island (Lake of the Woods): the rocky ledges on the west side has slowed down a bit for a lot of folks, but I have seen fish in shallower water along the west side. I didn't see the number of fish in the deeper water this week, however I have seen a few small "pods" here and there.
I have not had to fish any farther south than the south side of Pelican Point for the last month and have caught quite a few fish too. If you feel like wasting time, I would suggest wasting it in shallower water.
Trolling
NOTE TO TROLLERS: SOME COMPLAINTS FROM SHORE FISHERMEN AND ANCHORED BAIT FISHERMEN REGARDING TROLLING OVER THEIR LINES. PLEASE BE CONSIDERATE.
Some trollers are doing better than others but some limits are still being caught. We are starting to catch fish at many different depths this week. We are still catching a few fish between 25 and 35 feet but we are also starting to get a lot more attention above that level. We are working shallower water now that water temperatures have cooled down. Fish are spooky in the shallows and on the shallow rock ledges. Let out at least 100 to 125 feet of line out behind the boat.
Orange and brown leech pattern trolling flies have been the best for us but the tui chub fly is starting to get more attention north of Pelican Point.
The trout we have been catching are feeding on leeches and shrimp which are typical for that area, minnows are still in deeper water but I have seen many schools around the Youth Camp and Bio. Station. Oh, we have plenty of minnows in the north and middle basins but the trout haven't quite committed to the warmer temperatures yet. But, they know by the angle of the sun that the time is near.
How trollers can avoid catching tui chub: Most trollers don't usually catch chubs because the chubs generally don't "chase" fast moving objects, however if you are trolling too slow you can catch the heck out of them. The key is to bump up your trolling speed by 50 to 75 RPM's and avoid catching them. That's all it takes and stay in the zone of the trout. The more chubs your are catching the less time you are fishing for trout. Please release these special fish safely, they are of great importance to the ecology of the lake. Tui chubs also show up as a massive school of fish stacked up on your depth finder. If you observe the adult chub when they come into the north and middle basins to spawn, you will see that the entire school moves in unison (note the minnows at the docks). Seldom do they separate. Trout show up as more singles farther apart.
Hot Lures, Flies and Grubs
Lures: Large "Red Dog" Double Jointed Sure Catch lure is doing well and medium "Goldie locks" (florescent orange and brass) has been working well too. I also like the German Brown Medium Sure Catch this time of year. But good old Needlefish were in the top 3 producers. No doubt that florescent orange is a hot color on this lake and various lures of that color often work. Since using the sure catch lures, I am now partial to using them but Needlefish have also been extremely affective on this lake for decades. Florescent orange with nickel or brass back were productive in size 2. Rainbow Runners have also been known to work well up here. Often, what is hot in one area is not in another. The red dot frog and crocodile patterns in size 2 and 3 have also been productive lures. We have a lot of baby western toads in all the grassy areas of the shoreline right now and don't think the trout have never seen one swimming in the water. It is near the time when minnow imitations from rapala's to rubber wigglers will be real effective (time to try ???em now).
DON'T BE AFRAID TO TIE ON SOMETHING YELLOW OR PEARL DURING THE UPCOMING OVERCAST SKIES THAT ARE PREDICTED. DARK SKIES AND WATER WITH A LOT OF COLOR WILL REQUIRE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE ABLE TO BE SEEN BY THE TROUT. AND, LEAVING A SCENT TRAIL WILL ALSO HELP.
Trolling nightcrawlers is also a favorite and was indeed a very affective method for many anglers. But, if I am only catching trout on small brown flies I would suggest worm trollers use mini crawlers (on smaller #8 or #10 straight eye bait hooks) over large ones. Use of flashers can be more productive in late summer and fall. The clarity of the lake decreases as the water temperatures drop in fall. Flashers really help during that time and best where schools of tui chub minnows are the food of choice. (Flasher tip for Eagle Lake: shorten leaders up to 14 to 15 inches from the flashers. These fish often come from behind so quickly that they can miss your bait and hit your flashers. If you are getting lots of strikes without hooking up, your leader is too long.)
Grubs: Brown, orange, amber watermelon, white and root-beer have been catching a few fish this week. Some folks prefer to run wiggle or action discs ahead of the grub.
Trolling Flies: The plain Jane brown and florescent orange are catching fish but the brown leech (a very passive rather than aggressive fly) has gotten more attention on flat water. The tui-chub pattern works better in some areas (this time of year) than in others but it is starting to get attention. I prefer a smaller hook than what is commercially available this time of year...later in September and October size doesn't matter. The ones I tie have more white than olive on them. Olive leeches are starting to pick up a few fish here and there but in general olive works better down by Pikes Point and the jetty...brown has been the most affective for us at every location, however the orange is catching fish for us as long as there is a ripple but once the pond goes flat, the brown has been the best.
The trout have been "short striking" meaning that the hook is not penetrating and many fish are getting off before getting them to the boat. Tear (don't cut) the butts off the flies folks...the fish will have to strike higher on the hook....old fly trolling trick that makes them stick!!! Grub trollers add a stinger in your tails or trim them shorter, nightcrawler trollers use mini crawlers and only leave ?? inch of tail.
My best advise for trolling flies is to keep your rod in your hand and set the hook at the slightest difference in your line. If you miss the fish, slap the slack back into the water, if the fish didn't quite feel the hook it will still be following the fly and it will take it again when it stops dead in the water. Dangle it in front of the fish as if you were playing with a cat and a piece of yarn, if the fish wasn't right there once your line straightened out, give it a few seconds longer. Yeah, that's a real tease, but is also very affective. The fish take flies differently than they hit lures. They basically "hold" it in their mouth rather than attack it like a lure (especially the passive flies in brown or olive). You have to sink the barb of the hook in order to land the fish. And, I mean you have to set it hard, and hold your line so the drag doesn't defeat the purpose. Quite often I use the motor to assist keeping pressure on the fish if I run out of hook setting room (rod over 90 degrees), but, don't keep your boat in gear after the hook set. You will lose them every time. Some fish hit harder on the more aggressive flies (orange, gold & etc.) but you still have to set the hook. You can run discs a few inches above the fly but it's not a replacement for holding your rod. Every fish hits a little different...some hammer you, others tease you, some just slap you around others slurp and spit. Knowing when to set the hook has a lot to do with "sticking" the fish.
Bait Fishing
Nightcrawlers under slip bobbers at 25 to 30 feet deep in 50 to 70 feet of water but bait fisherman are working hard to catch a couple trout. Free lines have been working better than slip bobbers however, every day has been a little different. So it's best to cover the bases and fish the water column from this time forward. Don't stay in one spot if you are not catching fish, move around and fish the column of water from 10 to 30 feet deep. Many fish are simply foraging in shallower water along the shoreline.
The tui chub have had a good spawn this year and the minnows are prevalent in all the basins. If we keep the cold nights and cooler water temperatures, the trout will start heading up towards the middle basin after the minnows and other food sources that have flourished over the short summer. Many will start staging at the Youth Camp and Biology Station where depths reach 30 feet (40 ft north of the Miners Point ledge). The trout usually stay close to deeper water before committing to the shallows but with the lower than average water temperatures we are seeing this year, may give us an early start.
The use of commercial attractants has been working well the last few years. Krill and Garlic Trout Gravy are the most effective. Don't under-estimate the garlic gravy, it works.
It is illegal to use minnows as bait on this lake, however many different imitations start working now. Nightcrawlers are the most effective bait used but some folks use insects too. NOTE: It is also illegal to keep live trout in a "live well" for any purpose including resuscitation.
Shore Fishing
If water temperatures continue to remain in the high 60's early in the morning, expect the shore fishing to start picking up. The shallower water is cooling off quicker overnight than the deep water. We are seeing fish foraging in the shallows and we have started catching them in 7 to 10 feet of water, but their timing has been a little different every day.
The biology station and the Youth Camp will start getting better but it can be touch and go for a few weeks before it really turns on there. The jetty and the Circus Grounds will be picking up before too long too but fishing has been very tough from shore for the last couple weeks. Things will be getting better.
Fly Fishing?ĮOsprey Management Area is open for foot traffic only. No vehicles are allowed below the road. Watch out for mountain lions in this area.
A few trout are rising to the caddis hatch but the hatch has come on later in the morning due in part to cooler temperatures lasting longer. There are a few fish on the shallow ledges but their timing has not been reliable. Having a little ripple in the morning helps. Brown was the color they wanted today and is the best color to start with on this lake. They are not yet reliable from day to day and water temperatures are still warm despite having good O2 levels. But, it won't be too long before early morning fly fishing will be very productive. It is advisable to have a float tube or boat so you can reach those trout when they move out. Have a sink tip available.
My favorite flies are basic. #10 and #12 wooly buggers. I prefer brown along Pelican Point and the west side of the south basin. I like olive, gold, orange or black in the tules depending on the time of year. However, the orange is extremely effective when the water temperature drops below 48 degrees F. The shrimp turn orange when the water temperature drops below that temperature.
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